John Edwards

excerpts from the Iowa Daily Report

September 16-30, 2003

… “Edwards’s career tied to jury award debate” – headline from yesterday’s Boston Globe. The Globe’s Wendy Davis, from Raleigh, reported: “Senator John Edwards, the North Carolina lawyer running for president, built a career out of winning historic jury awards for children who suffered birth defects allegedly because doctors mishandled their deliveries -- from a record $6.5 million in 1985 to a new record of $23 million in his last trial in 1997.His summations became legendary, with lawyers crowding the courtroom to listen to Edwards move jurors to tears. ‘What value do you attach to the emotional suffering that this little girl will have for the rest of her life?’ he asked in his breakthrough case, in 1985. ‘I wouldn't take $10 million for it.’ Edwards also persuaded the jury that the hospital was responsible, even though the doctor was not an employee. But in a precursor of battles to come, the trial judge set aside a portion of the $6.5 million verdict as excessive, and an appeals court agreed. The North Carolina Hospital Association filed an unsuccessful protest brief, claiming Edwards had opened a new avenue for malpractice cases. Now, spurred by President Bush, Republicans are seeking to limit awards for pain and suffering, saying juries are driving up the cost of health care. On Saturday, Texas voters narrowly supported a $750,000 cap on pain and suffering awards. Today, North Carolina is scheduled to consider limiting such awards to $250,000. While Edwards helped block a similar bill in the Senate last July, Republicans are vowing to take it up again, putting Edwards -- and his career -- back in the spotlight. ‘To the extent that he's been able to persuade a jury, he's succeeded,’ said state Senator Robert Pittenger of North Carolina, referring to Edwards's ability to make a jury cater to his client's needs. But Pittenger, a Republican supporting limits on jury awards, insists, ‘That's not, to me, an equitable way to try to stabilize the health care industry.’ A Globe review of Edwards's career from the mid-1980s through 1997 reveals that he was more than just a practitioner of medical malpractice law. He was one of its most prominent specialists, stretching the reach of the law for nearly two decades. But he also came to personify some of the alleged excesses that reformers have sought to curb.” (9/16/2003)

… Edwards – after deciding to put all eggs in his presidential basket – formally announces candidacy at textile mill where his father worked for 36 years, heads for South Carolina to push his southern strategy. Associated Press coverage from FOXNews.com – an excerpt: “Democrat John Edwards, the Southern moderate dogged by complaints that he's short on political experience, formally launched his candidacy for the presidency Tuesday, vowing to ‘be a champion for regular people every day.’ The North Carolina senator, who made millions as a trial attorney before entering politics five years ago, highlighted his blue collar roots by staging his announcement at the Robbins, N.C., textile mill where his father worked for 36 years. A young John Edwards once had a job there, mopping beneath looms in the weave room. Edwards used the speech to assail President Bush's record, offer his own biography and address some of the criticism he has faced as a first-term senator. ‘I haven't spent most of my life in politics, but I've spent enough time in Washington to know how much we need to change it,’ Edwards told the crowd. The next stop on the official kickoff was Columbia, S.C., a must-win state in Edwards' strategy to reach the White House. Rather than try to take a win in Iowa and New Hampshire against more seasoned rivals, Edwards was looking for his candidacy to take off with a win in South Carolina. He was banking that voters in the state would be attracted to a fresh-faced moderate with Carolina roots…In some ways, Edwards is a presidential candidate in the mold of Bill Clinton -- a youthful centrist with Southern charm. But having run for office just once before and served only a single term in the Senate, he doesn't have the resume or the experience of his leading rivals in the race for the Democratic nomination. Nine candidates have announced, with a 10th -- Wesley Clark -- telling advisers he would enter the Democratic primary. In most state and national polls, Edwards draws single-digit support and ranks behind rivals with less funding and organization, such as Al Sharpton and Carol Moseley Braun, despite working for the nomination for more than a year. He was the leading fund-raiser in the Democratic field early this year, but has lost that advantage to insurgent candidate Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor. ‘This is where I learned that the simple promise of America is the enduring greatness of America -- a better life for all who work for it,’ Edwards said. ‘And so this is where -- today -- to make opportunity the birthright of every American, I declare myself a candidate for president of the United States.’ (9/16/2003)

… Edwards joins Hillary and Lieberman in opposing Bush EPA nominee. Headline from FOXNews.com: “Edwards Agrees to Oppose EPA Nominee” Excerpt from AP coverage: “President Bush's nominee to head the Environmental Protection Agency ran into more problems Monday in the Senate as a third Democrat, presidential aspirant John Edwards, said he would join efforts to block the nomination. Democrats Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, who also is seeking the presidential nomination, previously had said they would put a hold on the nomination of Utah Gov. Mike Leavitt as EPA administrator. Edwards of North Carolina said Monday the nomination should not go forward until the Bush administration provides detailed information on how human health will be affected by changes the administration wants in the way the EPA regulates air pollution, especially from power plants. The Democrats have accused the administration of rolling back protections under the Clean Air Act by easing pollution control requirements on power plant operators and industrial plants.” (9/16/2003)

… Edwards, after announcing yesterday, rushes to South Carolina in effort to reinforce his alleged southern foothold and – in an understatement – says SC is “enormously important.” Report in The State of Columbia by veteran political reported Lee Bandy: “Democrat John Edwards went home to North Carolina on Tuesday to kick off his campaign for the presidency. Then he rushed to South Carolina -- site of the first-in-the-South primary almost certain to determine his fate as a candidate. ‘It's enormously important, a critical element,’ Edwards said of the Feb. 3 primary. Edwards, a multimillionaire trial lawyer and one-term U.S. senator, cast himself as a ‘champion for regular people.’ To drive that point home, Edwards started his day in Robbins, the North Carolina mill town where he grew up. He stood in front of a now-closed textile mill where his father worked for 36 years. ‘I believe in an America where the family you're born into never controls your destiny,’ Edwards told about 2,000 supporters, friends and family members in Robbins. Later, in Columbia, some 500 people turned out at a rally in front of the Russell House on the USC campus. College Republicans chanted and shouted at speakers before being quieted by the candidate's wife, Elizabeth, who appealed to their ‘good Southern manners.’ South Carolina is a must-win state for Edwards. He is running hard here -- appearing regularly on TV and in person -- looking for his candidacy to take off with a win in the Palmetto State. The S.C. primary follows closely on the heels of more traditional early-bird contests in Iowa and New Hampshire. The winner here will leave with momentum heading into the big-state primaries in the following weeks. But Edwards can't count on South Carolina alone, experts say. He needs to win, place or show in the earlier contests if he's to have any chance here. ‘It's going to be a death struggle in South Carolina,’ said Rice University political scientist Earl Black. Polls have suggested the public is lukewarm about Edwards' presidential ambitions. He continues to lag behind the top-tier candidates in polls in Iowa and New Hampshire and only recently moved into first place in South Carolina -- where 46 percent of the voters remained undecided. Edwards believes he reflects the aspirations of the South better than the other presidential hopefuls and understands the complicated politics of its people.” (9/17/2003)

… Quad-City Times: Edwards to be “very focused” on Iowa. Coverage by the Times” Ed Tibbetts: “Nearly two years after he began making himself known in Iowa, U.S. Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., formally announced his bid for the presidency Tuesday in his home state, declaring his candidacy at the mill where his father once worked. Later, he told Iowa reporters he intends to run hard in the state, where he has invested considerable resources but which has, to date, yielded him a relatively low return in the polls. ‘I am very focused on Iowa,’ Edwards told reporters in a conference call a few hours after his announcement. A Quad-City Times poll conducted late last month and in early September showed Edwards is tied for fourth in Iowa, with support from 6 percent of those polled. He is tied with U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn. Aides, however, say they are encouraged by other polls that show he and former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean are the only candidates who have improved their standing over the summer. There are nine people seeking the Democratic nomination, and a 10th, Gen. Wesley Clark, will join the race today, according to reports. In his announcement, Edwards emphasized his roots growing up in the small town of Robbins, N.C., where he became the first in his family to attend college. That small town, he said, formed the person he is today. ‘I have spent my life fighting my heart out for the kind of people I grew up with,’ he added.” (9/17/2003)

… Edwards to California too. The News & Observer’s John Wagner reported today that   “U.S. Sen. John Edwards plans to voice his support for Gov. Gray Davis on Saturday during a planned swing through California. With the event in San Francisco, Edwards will become the fourth Democratic presidential contender to appear on behalf of the embattled California governor, who is facing a recall election. ‘It think it's important for us to be united against the recall,’ Edwards said Wednesday as he campaigned in New Hampshire. He said he wants to appear with Davis ‘just to help him out.’ Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, U.S. Sen. Bob Graham of Florida and U.S. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts have all previously campaigned with Davis.” (9/18/2003)

… IOWA PRES WATCH SIDEBAR: In his column, the Union Leader’s John DiStaso reported – “Undaunted by Clark’s not-very-polite decision to ‘step on’ his formal announcement on Tuesday, John Edwards today unveils his fourth New Hampshire television ad. In the 30-second spot, to air on WMUR, Edwards says, ‘Money and lobbyists run our government and they own this White House.’ He vows, ‘I’ve never taken a dime from PACs or Washington lobbyists and I never will.’ (9/18/2003)

… Edwards and Dean gang up on Bush yesterday in New Hampshire. Coverage – an excerpt – from this morning’s Union Leader by Michael Cousineau: “U.S. Sen. John Edwards yesterday called the latest entrant into the Democratic Presidential field, Gen. Wesley Clark, ‘a nice man’ and that he was focusing on his own White House effort. Another contender, former Gov. Howard Dean, went out of his way yesterday not to criticize his Democratic rivals who voted for the USA Patriot Act that the Bush administration is using to fight terrorism and Dean considers partially unconstitutional. In campaign stops 30 miles and two hours apart, the two Presidential hopefuls focused their aim at the current White House occupant, George W. Bush — and even the Republican President before him, George H.W. Bush. Dean pointed out he was ‘governor through both Bush recessions.’ And Edwards said ‘this President is making his father look pretty good.’ Edwards said he would climb out of the single digits in the New Hampshire polls by meeting voters at his town hall-style meetings. Yesterday’s was approximately his 30th out of 100 he pledged to host. ‘I’m going to keep being here in front of the voters, letting them ask their questions,’ Edwards told reporters afterward. ‘They know sincere and real, and they can spot it a mile away.’ Edwards got traditional questions about the economy and some off the beaten path, regarding hog farms or whether he supports industrial hemp being used for fuel…Dean said the economy has lost manufacturing jobs, and federal tax cuts have meant increases in property taxes and tuition bills because more federal responsibilities have been pushed to states, local communities and colleges.  ‘Middle-class families didn’t get anything out of the Bush tax cut,’ he told about 200 people at the school’s institute of politics. ‘They lost money.’ He also talked about his process for selecting judges, a duty he may be called on to do for the U.S. Supreme Court if elected President.  ‘I’m not looking for a clone of Howard Dean on the bench,’ Dean said. ‘(Former New Hampshire justice) David Souter has done a terrific job and we need more people like that” on the Supreme Court.”  (9/18/2003)

… IOWA PRES WATCH SIDEBAR: Edwards confronts the hemp question. From AP coverage of Edwards’ town meeting in New Hampshire – “Stumping for votes in New Hampshire, presidential candidate John Edwards breezed through questions about war, health care and poverty before being stumped by a query about industrial hemp. ‘I could tell you, in general, my position about the medical use of marijuana, which is not what you are talking about,’ Edwards told a questioner Wednesday at an outdoor town meeting. ‘You are talking about industrialized hemp being used for WHAT?’ Fiber from the plant, a relative of marijuana, is used to make paper, clothing, rope and other products. Its oil is found in lotions, cosmetics and some foods, and Paul Stillwell of Concord, N.H., said hemp also can be used to produce fuel. Stillwell said he had just gotten his first fuel-oil delivery and noted that textile jobs are being lost in Edwards' home state of North Carolina. He asked if Edwards supports legalizing industrial hemp. ‘I didn't know that's where that question was going,’ Edwards said, with a laugh. ‘I had not thought about that as a solution to the problem, honestly.’ Edwards promised to get him an answer.” (9/18/2003)

… Edwards facing two responsibilities this weekend – scheduled to visit CA to oppose recall, but also needs to return to NC to review hurricane impact. John Wagner of the News & Observer of Raleigh reported this morning: “Hurricane Isabel might present an interesting test of U.S. Sen. John Edwards' ability to juggle home-state responsibilities with his presidential run. Aides said Thursday that the North Carolina Democrat, who announced earlier this month that he won't seek re-election, was trying to schedule a trip home to survey Hurricane Isabel damage.  As of early Thursday, Edwards' itinerary called for a weekend swing through California, including a campaign stop in San Francisco on behalf of Gray Davis, the embattled governor who is facing a recall election.  ‘I think it's important for us to be united against the recall,’ Edwards said Wednesday during a campaign swing in New Hampshire. He said he wants to appear with Davis ‘just to help him out.’”  (9/19/2003)

…Fearless John Edwards returns to area where he’s been hurt – and ridiculed – before: Sunday morning TV. In the News & Observer of Raleigh, John Wagner reported: “U.S. Sen. John Edwards is scheduled to appear on CBS News' ‘Face the Nation’ on Sunday morning, according to his campaign. The appearance will be the North Carolina Democrat's first on a Sunday talk show since the formal announcement of his presidency this week. Edwards' history on such shows has been uneven. An appearance last year on NBC's ‘Meet the Press’ was panned by many pundits and seemed to slow Edwards' momentum. He more recently appeared on ABC News' ‘This Week,’ turning in what was generally regarded as a stronger performance. NBC has been actively courting Edwards to return to ‘Meet the Press,’ but he thus far has turned down invitations, including personal overtures from the show's host, Tim Russert.” (9/19/2003)

…New York Times report this morning says that Clark, Edwards and Graham getting hard look as No. 2 on the Dem ticket. Lieberman discounted because he’s done that already. Headline: “Looking out for No. 2…If You’re Baffled by the Presidential Race, Consider This” From report by Times political ace Adam Nagourney: “These days, there is plenty of action in the Democratic presidential nomination fight: 10 candidates as of noon on Thursday, when Wesley K. Clark joined the show, ensuring one of the most mixed-up nomination battles either party has produced in years. But just in case that is not enough for Democrats who enjoy a good fight, a new contest is rising out of the mist of this one. It is the race within the race, an unstated competition for the No. 2 spot on the ticket. No one running for president would ever say, at least right now, that they are actively campaigning to be vice president. As an aide to one of them noted, the candidates in question probably do not recognize that they are conducting what might eventually turn into dual campaigns: one for the presidential nomination, the other for vice president. But at least three presidential candidates are being increasingly measured by competing campaigns and party leaders for their vice presidential talents, a trend that seems certain to continue. This reflects both an early assessment of their presidential prospects (generally speaking, perhaps not so good) as well as an appreciation of the geographic and biographical assets they would bring to a ticket. No one is writing off anyone for the presidency yet. That said, the emerging vice presidential field includes General Clark, who would fortify a Democratic ticket with a military uniform and a Southern background; Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, another son of the South who has impressed Democrats with his keen campaign skills, and Senator Bob Graham, who comes from Florida (if you have to ask). ‘They are all in their heads running for president -- you don't get in this game to be No. 2,’ said Paul Costello, a longtime Democratic consultant. ‘But that has got to be the hidden context for a lot of these people.’…‘I think that it is very likely that one of them will be the vice presidential nominee,’ he said, referring to Mr. Edwards, Mr. Graham or General Clark. Two other Democratic presidential candidates -- Howard Dean of Vermont and Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts -- are, as liberal Northeast Democrats prone to the campaign misstep, not exactly what party officials would describe as attractive vice presidential candidates. Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut has done his time in the vice presidential candidate seat. Since there are actually some Democrats in the land who are not running for president, the speculation about No. 2 possibilities extends beyond the field. Some names being mentioned are Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, for example (though Mr. Richardson said in an interview he would not accept the position); Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana and Senator Dianne Feinstein of California. But as of today, Democrats think the No. 2 nominee will come from the cast seeking the No. 1 job — speculation that, not surprisingly, does not delight the candidates. General Clark scoffed at the No. 2 position, saying that he is not embarking on a career in politics to win a post that has no discernable authority. But asked if that meant he was ruling out the vice presidency, General Clark shook his head no. ‘I'm not saying that,’ he said. ‘I'm saying for me there was only one decision, and that was whether I would run for the presidency or not. This is not about positioning.’ Jennifer Palmieri, a spokeswoman for Mr. Edwards, said, ‘Anybody who thinks that John Edwards is running for vice president doesn't know him very well.’” (9/21/2003)

… “Edwards still has a shot” – headline on Rob Christensen’s political column in yesterday’s News & Observer of Raleigh. Excerpt: “I would be a fool to wager against a sitting president whose handling of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorism attacks has broad, though declining, support.  Having said that, I don't think George W. Bush is going to have a cakewalk. The economy is in too bad of shape, and there are too many people out of work.  Which brings us to U.S. Sen. John Edwards, the North Carolina Democrat who formally announced his candidacy for the presidency last week. Edwards had the perfect setting for an announcement to take advantage of the economic discontent. He stood in front of a shuttered Milliken textile plant in Robbins where his father had once worked and where the senator had spent a summer as a young man sweeping floors. There is a lot of skepticism -- and rightfully so -- about Edwards' chances of becoming the first president from Raleigh since Andrew Johnson. In many places in the United States , Edwards could still be mistaken -- as one wag put it -- for a mid-market news anchor. (His campaign gave reporters in Robbins a minibottle of Breck shampoo -- a gag on how Edwards was once described as the ‘Breck Girl’ of presidential candidates because of his looks.)  About a year ago, I got a call from a Vermont newspaper columnist, asking about my perception of Howard Dean. I drew a blank.  Now the former governor of Ben & Jerry land is the Democratic flavor of the month. Edwards had hoped to be the fresh new Democratic face, but Dean cornered the antiwar Democratic left. Edwards has yet to identify a base of voters. But there is a scenario for Edwards emerging as the more moderate alternative to Dean. He must run a respectable third place in the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary. If he can then win the South Carolina primary Feb. 3, Edwards has a chance at the nomination. The South Carolina primary is his firewall. Can you imagine Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts saying, ‘Yes ma'am, I sure would like another helping of okra’?  At the same time Edwards was announcing in Robbins, word was leaking out of Arkansas that retired Gen. Wesley Clark was going to enter the Democratic primary. Think they were passing out Zantac at Edwards' Raleigh campaign headquarters? Edwards is struggling to emerge from the pack. But so are better-known Democrats such as Kerry, Sen. Joe Lieberman and Rep. Dick Gephardt.  Will Edwards become our next president? I certainly would not bet dinner on it.  But then only a fool would have wagered that a little-known Arkansas governor would beat a popular incumbent president in 1992. And even if Edwards is a bottom-dweller in the New Hampshire and Iowa polls, it is too early to count him out.” (9/22/2003)

… Edwards discounts poll showing Clark in the lead – and forecasts he’ll breakthrough in South Carolina. From Associated Press report in the Union Leader this morning: “Sen. John Edwards dismissed a national poll released over the weekend that showed the newcomer, retired Gen. Wesley Clark, among the leaders in the 10-candidate Democratic presidential campaign. Asked if Clark had become the man to beat, Edwards replied, ‘Anybody can be beaten.’ The North Carolina senator told CBS' ‘Face the Nation’ program that the campaign season is just getting under way. ‘This thing's just starting,’ he said. ‘Voters are just beginning to pay attention.’ Edwards formally announced his candidacy Wednesday. Just before he took the stage in his hometown, word leaked out that Clark planned to enter the race a couple of hours later, which stole the media spotlight from Edwards and the headlines of Thursday morning's newspapers. ‘Gen. Clark's not very well known across America, but he had a couple of days of being on television,’ Edwards said Sunday. The former trial attorney remained upbeat about his prospects. ‘I intend to win South Carolina. I'm going to do everything in my power to do that,’ Edwards said. He said he also expects to be competitive in Iowa and New Hampshire, which have early contests just before South Carolina. ‘I am in this for the long haul,’ he said.  (9/22/2003)

… Edwards toughens attacks on Bush in latest media campaign. Report from today’s AP political roundup: “John Edwards is launching ads in Iowa that criticize President Bush's economic record, with the Democrat calling it ‘outrageous that this president has turned a five trillion dollar surplus into a five trillion dollar deficit.’ The new 60-second commercial began airing Monday in Iowa and will move quickly to New Hampshire, said campaign advisers, who declined to disclose the exact cost of the ad buy, saying simply that is was the most concentrated buy of the campaign. The North Carolina senator, who remains in single digits in recent national polls, has been running ads in Iowa and New Hampshire, but those spots were largely biographical. The latest ads are designed to highlight his differences with Bush. ‘And now when we look at college education for more, doing something about the health care crisis, his answer is we don't have the money,’ Edwards says in the commercial. ‘Well, why don't we have the money George Bush? He gave it away in tax cuts to the richest people in America.’ The commercial features Edwards speaking to backers at a town hall-style meeting.”  (9/23/2003)

… Edwards claims lead – 23% -- in poll released by his campaign with The General second, Lieberman and Sharpton next, and Dean at 7%. Gephardt, Moseley Braun, Graham all lead Kerry’s 3% showing. From poll released this morning by the Edwards campaign: Edwards gains nine points since June, Lieberman drops nine percent since June. Coverage by John Wagner of the News & Observer of Raleigh: “U.S. Sen. John Edwards has a 10-point lead in the early presidential primary state of South Carolina, according to an internal poll released by his campaign Thursday morning. The poll, conducted between Saturday and Monday by Edwards' pollster, Harrison Hickman, shows the North Carolina Democrat drawing support from 23 percent of likely Democratic primary voters. The only other candidate in double digits was retired Gen. Wesley Clark of Arkansas, with 13 percent. Clark was followed by U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and the Rev. Al Sharpton of New York, both with 8 percent; former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, with 7 percent; U.S. Rep. Richard Gephardt of Missouri, with 6 percent; former U.S. Sen. Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois, with 5 percent; U.S. Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, with 4 percent; U.S. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, with 3 percent; and U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, with 1 percent. The poll found 23 percent remain undecided in South Carolina, which holds its presidential primary on Feb. 3, a week after New Hampshire. Edwards' support has grown by 9 percentage points since June, according to Hickman. In a poll he conducted then, Lieberman was leading the field in South Carolina, with 17 percent.”  (9/25/2003)

“Edwards Has Missed 90% Of Senate Votes” – headline posted today on the DRUDGE REPORT. The report: “How much have Sen. John Edwards' presidential ambitions affected his current job? Here's one yardstick: This month, he has made more trips to early nominating states than to the Senate floor. Edwards, a North Carolina Democrat, has missed 38 of the 42 roll-call votes since the U.S. Senate returned from its August recess, Winston-Salem Journal reported Thursday. His record is hardly unusual for a presidential candidate. In fact, it is better than the three other Senate Democrats in the race. But Republican critics have seized upon his absences to argue that Edwards -- who announced this month that he won't seek re-election to the Senate -- should go ahead and step down. But Edwards said that he plans to serve out his term and that his attention to North Carolina issues has not waned. And he says ‘that his voting record is a poor gauge of his involvement in Senate business.’” (9/25/2003)

… “Do not call” -- subhead from Greg Pierce’s “Inside Politics” column in today’s Washington Times. Pierce’s report: “Even before the Senate voted yesterday to support a national ‘do-not-call’ list to protect people from unwanted telephone solicitations, Sen. John Edwards, North Carolina Democrat, sent out a press release boasting his solution. He was co-sponsoring a bill, the press release said, that would authorize the Federal Trade Commission to institute such a list. ‘People trying to have a peaceful family dinner shouldn't have to put up with pestering calls from telephone pitchmen,’ Mr. Edwards said in his press release. ‘This is about giving people a choice and respecting their privacy.’ But when the Senate took up the bill up just two hours later, Mr. Edwards was nowhere around to urge passage of the bill or even to vote for it. He, along with the three other Democratic senators running for president, were in New York for a debate. Earlier in the day, the House approved similar legislation, 412 to 8. Among those not voting were Reps. Richard A. Gephardt, Missouri Democrat, and Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio Democrat, who were also in New York debating one another.” (9/26/2003)

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